Big Adi Daddi
File under: Wackadoo Gurus
On a hunt for inspiration, we landed on the site of Adi Da, formerly Franklin Jones, mystic, guru, and of course now the one and only unique and original avatar for this age:
While there have been many saints and sages in human history, the ancient traditions of humankind foretell a final Revelation, a God-Man promised for the "late-time" who will perfectly fulfill the deepest longings of the human heart. Adidam is established on the recognition that this all-surpassing Event has occurred. Ruchira Avatar Adi Da Samraj is the Divine Being of Grace and Truth Who authenticates the ancient intuitions.Sure, him and at least a few thousand others. We find this sort of pure and unadulterated narcissism to be utterly horrifying. Kind of like watching pit bulls eat babies or Paris Hilton describe herself as intelligent:
The recognition of Avatar Adi Da Samraj as the very Divine Person and Presence—visible to one’s eyes, and Standing in one’s heart—is the basis of the Way of Adidam. Adidam is a relationship—the devotional and Spiritual relationship to Avatar Adi Da Samraj. This is how He Works in this world, through drawing those who recognize Him into the highest form of relationship available to human beings.But even more horrible is the fact that people go for it.
We've always wanted to like Adi Da. First because Ken Wilber liked him, and then because he was so out in the open with his craziness. Gurus, drugs and group sex just get us so hot! But once he started with his "world teacher" shtick, he went from being a tantric engine of transformation to just another wackadoo guru.
When will folks learn that your guru doesn't have to be God and that claims of divinity do not a good guru make? Probably never, we're sorry to say. There's just too much need for mommy and daddy figures in the world. People want to believe they're ok. Being loved (and fleeced) by a living, breathing "God" can be the best mirroring available for many. Thus the insecure and narcissistic flock to an insecure and narcissistic "God-Man," where everyone gets their needs met... for awhile.
Too bad it all has as much to do with the nondual truth as my dog's ass. People may believe they are getting experiences all day long from him, but those are likely to be generated by their own expectations, due to the fact of their belief that Da is the sole provider of all their "spiritual" experiences.
For wackadoo runaway narcissists like Da, it's all about these "experiences," their own and those they believe they give to the devotees. You can look it up in Faith Healing 101, but because it's got "Eastern" slapped all over it, it's called the divine power of the avatar's enlightenment instead.
Because there's a demand in the world for people like Adi Da, he can become wildly successful merely by being a roll of sticky fly paper for the emotionally needy. Obviously, what they really need is a good therapist, the devotees and Adi Da. This may or may not come as a surprise, but we know a few good ones we can recommend, just in case his people want to get in touch with us.
posted by guruphiliac @ 7:01 PM
26 Comments:
I'm so glad you brought up this guy- doesn't he change his schtick every few years? I liked him better as Bubba Free John. That's a catchy name.
More dirt here:
http://www.rickross.com/groups/adida.html
"Too bad it all has as much to do with the nondual truth as my dog's ass."
Who gives a rat's ass about your psychobabbling 'truth'?
I'll take the psychobabble over glorified narcissism and outlandish magical thinking every single time.
Jody
YOU are the cult, man!
grow up bitter people.....ya wrong
grow up bleeders...ya wrong....
ya all pathetic.....as if YOU would bow to a master......u know everything right......
it was the wisest and greatest who hang with the Sat(True) Guru......for some reason you deluded westerners think its goin to work out on ya own....like some indifferent non-feeling avoiding hearts and proclaiming ya own self-centerred vision of oh how great it all is.......
.. wait until ya on ya death-bed and the true heart cry finds what you've been really up to......
it is Clear that Adi Da Is What He says He Is and we must learn...its Only the Heart He Reveals
you guys would throw this shit at jesus as well....
cause back then He stood out like a sore thumb and u pathetic ego's went with the obvious....crusify HIm...if you cant feel how pathetic that is ....well maybe its your turn ?
a Real Guru is an offense not a consolation.......
which means u like lollie-pops...and the rest....
you avoid the true ordeal and protect yourself your ego-self from the liberating demand....
if ya cant take the Truth....then fool yourself with ego-consolation ideas...go-right ahead........
why is it in any time of a Great Teacher.....very few recognise Him ......
if you studied all the traditions and religions and philosophies etc.....u will discover the Ultimate Demonstration has been Revealed by Adi Da. His word Liberates and then plainly tells it the way it IS...and that Is is what the Is of All of us Is.....we all arise in THE DIVINE...which makes everyone DIVINE.....so what's ya problem.......?
ego vs Truth
how about ego submit to Truth
= Truth = Truth
refusal of the God-MAN is refusal of ouselves as Living God...
your just stuck in ego land and can not see whats Above.....
doesnt mean it doesnt exist....
and The Truth is the Only Profound......
it doesnt matter what anyone says.....
the Truth is Still the ONly Profound.....
and its not found in an idea....or a thought
its found as LOVERS in intimacy in the ordeal of LIVING.....not avoiding......
the Adi Da Guru is Perfect...He is the Heart......and why do u hurt our Heart?.....He is the Same One that we all feel to.....u wont comprehend HIm...He Is u.....He will do whatever it takes to Liberate Everything.......and dont tell me that we dont need liberating.....otherwise ya blind to the error's of mankinds bullshit.
its like.......u guys have never felt pain.......how sad....
good luck.
Yeah, right.
One thing that always amazes me, is how so many people can be influenced by something another person says, whether positive or negative, without their own personal experience of the subject. If someone was to tell me that chocolate ice cream is a deadly negative and abusive substance,does that make it true.How weak minded people must be, to rise and fall on the opinion of others, without ever really testing the waters for themselves
How weak minded people must be, to rise and fall on the opinion of others, without ever really testing the waters for themselves
Adi Da claims for himself the title of history's greatest realizer and avatar. These can only ever be the words of a madman. There is no need to test the water when you can see it is full of shit.
But Jody, isn't that simply your opinion? And somehow that makes it the Truth? What if it were actually possible for there to be one great avatar, whoever that may be. If that One claims to be you are saying it necessarily means madman. So in other words, you are making the statement that such a one can not exist bases what exactly? How do you come to that conclusion,or is it that you have a deeper personal issue with someone being fully realized<
RM
What if it were actually possible for there to be one great avatar, whoever that may be.
Historical avatars are creations of hagiography. Current avatars are creations of grandiosity, and the gullibility of those who believe in them.
How do you come to that conclusion
Common sense.
[Do] you have a deeper personal issue with someone being fully realized[?]
Fully realized is an oxymoron. All realization is full. The idea that Da has more of it is patently ridiculous from the regard of the Upanishads. When you know yourself to be Brahman, that's all that you get. All the bullshit magic powers such as those Da is purported to have are nothing more than the expectations of the devotees made manifest by the power of their faith. The whole guru trip as exemplified by Da is complete bullshit. I'm not saying that it doesn't work, I'm saying it works by way of a ruse. The belief in the "power" of the guru is all the power any guru has.
Upanishads...Brahman...Jody, do you really believe that you have the slightest idea of what you are talking about. Same old traditional mumbo jumbo. A point of view only, and so profoundly limited. You don't even know what a single thought IS, and yet you string a bunch of eastern tradition words together as if that answers anything. It almost sounds to me like some where in your life, you let yourself get exploited by someone, and now you have become an angry and pretty shut down human being Hm?
Upanishads...Brahman...Jody, do you really believe that you have the slightest idea of what you are talking about
Apparently, you don't believe I do.
Same old traditional mumbo jumbo.
As is Da's magic avatar bullshit, which relies on a misunderstanding of that "mumbo jumbo" to carry the belief that he has something magical and special.
A point of view only, and so profoundly limited.
It's called not believing in fairy tales.
now you have become an angry and pretty shut down human being Hm?
Angry at self-aggrandizers like Da filling peoples' heads with nonsense about self-realization? Definitely! Other than that, my friends, of which there are many, all find me to be a very pleasant person.
You certainly do sound like a very pleasant person to me too. I just can't help but feel that your strong reactive emotions relative to, in this case Adi Da,(though it sounds like it could apply to many Gurus) are in place due to some personal experience you may have suffered somewhere along the way. Because I am yet to hear any critical argument from you that justifies such adamant disapproval and negative judgements. I think this has the potential to be an interesting consideration about spirituality if personal agendas can be set aside. I enjoy your spirited responses.
RM
I just can't help but feel that your strong reactive emotions... are in place due to some personal experience you may have suffered
It's very simple. I was blessed to see the Self in myself, and I immediately saw its unadorned nature. When I saw how much of spiritual culture was just plain wrong about that, I decided then and there to make folks aware that much of what they believe about the Self is preventing their own jnana from coming to light.
We are always the Self at all times, whether or not we have come to the recognition of that. When we come to see the light of jnana, nothing is added in the way of special perceptions or magic powers. It's just the ignorance gone. The rope is now seen just to be a rope.
I am fortunate to know a dozen realizers who confirm my opinion and conclusions in this regard.
Because I am yet to hear any critical argument from you that justifies such adamant disapproval and negative judgements.
It's all in the Upanishads. They refute the whole idea of the godman, which is just a myth employed by the grandiose to explain their nutty experiences to themselves, and to put themselves on a pedestal high above those who provide their bread and butter.
Godmen do more to prevent self-realization than all the brothels in the world. People come away with the ridiculous notion that self-realization is going to make them a godman as Da purports himself to be. This expectation sits like a cloud in front of their very own truth. Thus, I harass the excessively grandiose for their sin of creating occlusion. Da happens to be among the most egregious offenders in my book.
Well I would be the last person to disagree with the obvious fact that the self,God, groucho marx, or whatever we want to call it,has clearly always been already the condition in which and of which all of this is appearing and disappearing. Including the upanishads. This however is not at all in contradiction to Adi Da's teachings if listened to and heard. Adi Da has never supported the notion that he is somehow Godman apart and exclusively. The very idea is egoic to the max. The tradition of transmission Masters is fully written for all to see. And there is not a jot of a problem about it.If you were seriously interested in mastering the art of painting for instance, the wisest student would seek out a Master in the field. Pay for real lessons, submit to the ordeal of unlearning all the wrong methods, and be grateful for it! The fact that people in general are not serious about sadhana, and approach a Teacher in a childish manner is in no way a reflection on the Teacher Himself or Herself. To have a glimpse of your prior state is wonderful, but intolerably fleeting. If you are not living your entire life from that place, not abiding as that, than you fall massively short of anything I would consider realization. Until you can confess to me a realization that truely transcends that little old ego of yours, I am not impressed. I am not dissing the upanishads here at all. I respect the written esoteric traditions in many forms. Somehow though a communication that is completely pure is yet to be heard in this forum, and of this I am perfectly certain
love RM
Adi Da has never supported the notion that he is somehow Godman apart and exclusively.
From Da's website:
While there have been many saints and sages in human history, the ancient traditions of humankind foretell a final Revelation, a God-Man promised for the "late-time" who will perfectly fulfill the deepest longings of the human heart. Adidam is established on the recognition that this all-surpassing Event has occurred. Ruchira Avatar Adi Da Samraj is the Divine Being of Grace and Truth Who authenticates the ancient intuitions.
It's grandiose drivel.
The tradition of transmission Masters is fully written for all to see.
There is nothing out there that refutes the contention that "transmission" is nothing more than a faith healing-like mechanism. Folks believe they are in the presence of some kind of spiritual "power" and therefore manifest their own experiences. Too bad any and all spiritual experiences have nothing to do with the Self. Shankara put it best: neti, neti.
The fact that people in general are not serious about sadhana, and approach a Teacher in a childish manner is in no way a reflection on the Teacher Himself or Herself.
Unless that teacher is working it to his advantage, like buying a secluded island, doing his devotees' wives and proclaiming himself as the end-all, be-all in spirituality.
To have a glimpse of your prior state is wonderful, but intolerably fleeting.
The understanding has never gone anywhere, because it's always been here, and that is seen as a constant knowledge. Anything fleeting is not realization.
Somehow though a communication that is completely pure is yet to be heard in this forum, and of this I am perfectly certain
Your hagiographically-clouded opinion is noted.
Jody, you are extremely humorous. Taking a single quote from Adi Da's teaching and trying to use it in an argument is like taking a grain of sand and arguing that it is the whole beach. I am beginning to see something emerge here. It is most strongly felt when you say things like Adi Da's Island or doing his devotees wive's etc. Your out of context sound bytes of this kind really points once again to the deeper personal issues you carry. You are so offended by behavior rumors and conventional morals, I would almost think you are a born again something or other. And don't waste time telling me how you know members of the inner circle etc. Why not subscribe to the enquirer and revolt against all that rumored nonsense. Mere knowledge that the Self exists is so not sufficient, it is almost laughable. Where is the profundity in YOUR moment to moment experience! Your superficial,consoling belief system is duly noted
love RM
Jody, you are extremely humorous. Taking a single quote from Adi Da's teaching and trying to use it in an argument is like taking a grain of sand and arguing that it is the whole beach.
To see a world in a grain of sand,
And a heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
And eternity in an hour. --Blake
The simple fact that the man believes he is special because he is realized is the gist of my criticism. His florid self-description is every indication of grandiosity.
I am beginning to see something emerge here. It is most strongly felt when you say things like Adi Da's Island or doing his devotees wive's etc. Your out of context sound bytes of this kind really points once again to the deeper personal issues you carry.
My deeper personal issues are not the issue. The idea that realization makes you special is the issue.
You are so offended by behavior rumors and conventional morals, I would almost think you are a born again something or other.
Actually, I'm perfectly ok with Da's methods, save for the grandiose nonsense. My characterizations are based on the circulating information I've come across online and are used to illustrate that the "divine" Da is just another freak. I should know.
And don't waste time telling me how you know members of the inner circle etc.
None of what I say is based on my inside information. It's my opinion based on what's come up online.
Why not subscribe to the enquirer and revolt against all that rumored nonsense.
Enquiry is an ongoing concern around here.
Mere knowledge that the Self exists is so not sufficient, it is almost laughable.
I'm glad I can amuse you, but that's not what I'm talking about.
Where is the profundity in YOUR moment to moment experience!
Right here, closer than my own breath, as if it were on the tip of my nose, exactly like it is for everyone else.
Your superficial,consoling belief system is duly noted
Your unfortunate appraisal of where I am coming from is as well.
No J I am sorry, but your deeper personal issues are the point! To see the world in a grain of sand etc. Wow,that's what I call getting down to it. And you are trying to tell me I am idealistic? I was hoping for a real consideration, and not just this silly back and forth business. Making opinions based on things you've come across on this internet? I thought you had more integrity than that my friend. In any case I certainly wish you all the best and blessed of lives. It has been a pleasure speaking with you. sincerely RM
No J I am sorry, but your deeper personal issues are the point!
That's your point. Mine is that realization does not make you special, and those who purport that it does prevent it from coming about.
To see the world in a grain of sand etc. Wow, that's what I call getting down to it.
Just some light repartee to amuse you.
And you are trying to tell me I am idealistic?
No. I'm telling you that realization does not make you special, and that nobody is any more divine than anyone else. And I'm telling you that the whole of Da's presentation to the world is dripping in that nonsense.
I was hoping for a real consideration, and not just this silly back and forth business.
You got real consideration. Just because I'm holding my point means I'm "silly?" Am I supposed to roll over so you can pick at my "deeper personal issues" instead?
My issues may fuel my fire against occlusion, but that doesn't change the fact that to proclaim oneself to be the greatest avatar ever is beyond the pale. You don't need to analyze that. It speaks as if on stage at the Warped tour.
Making opinions based on things you've come across on this internet? I thought you had more integrity than that my friend.
The opinion is about self-promoting as divine and is based on the website alone. The rest is just chatter, and it is presented as such when I use it.
In any case I certainly wish you all the best and blessed of lives. It has been a pleasure speaking with you.
It's been fun for me too. I'm sorry it has to end so soon.
I am beginning to see something emerge here. It is most strongly felt when you say things like Adi Da's Island or doing his devotees wive's etc. Your out of context sound bytes of this kind really points once again to the deeper personal issues you carry.
Upon further reflection, my throwing darts does belie an impetus to throw them. I've got a chip on my shoulder and have never tried to hide that. But that doesn't negate the obvious grandiosity in the act of calling oneself the greatest avatar ever.
Somehow though a communication that is completely pure is yet to be heard in this forum, and of this I am perfectly certain
Ideas about purity are another front in the nasty storm known as occluding ideas about self-realization. The self is ever present. No amount of "purity" changes that. Folks develop over time and some might measure the change in terms of "purity", but they are never closer to who they really are than they are right now.
It's 2018. Adi Da has passed the body. And yet people are coming to Adidam more and more. This is because if one isbactualky sensitive to Spiritual Presence and capable of studying Spiritual teaching one will find that Adi Da proves that His Spiritual Transmission is real as his body has died and yet He Is Spiritually stille Here.
All that proves is that there are suckers born every minute. Any "spirituality" anyone has when thinking of Da has absolutely nothing to do with Da when he was in a body, or now that he's dead and long gone. It's all by the power of the devotee's belief that they have an experience of the "power" of the guru. We are doing it to ourselves. The gurus are just the excuse our own subconscious mind lets us have.
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